tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post1338216279492648647..comments2024-03-27T08:49:38.786-03:00Comments on Siskoid's Blog of Geekery: Doctor Who #583: Earthshock Part 3Siskoidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-58734297128536159122013-07-02T14:02:06.835-03:002013-07-02T14:02:06.835-03:00I love excellent news, like getting home from work...I love excellent news, like getting home from work and finding that my wife has cooked me a well-prepared meal.LiamKavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996095233681105682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-90740500421770022102013-06-30T15:51:58.814-03:002013-06-30T15:51:58.814-03:00Who doesn't like getting excellent news?Who doesn't like getting excellent news?Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-73398465063867888912013-06-30T15:27:28.321-03:002013-06-30T15:27:28.321-03:00I enjoy the 80s Cybermen and, in particular, David...I enjoy the 80s Cybermen and, in particular, David Banks's camped up Cyberleader a whole lot, despite their flaws. I manage to work the phrases "<b>I</b> have found the ones from the TARDIS", "So, Doctor... a new appearance!", "Excellent!" and even the occasional "Ahhhh..." into conversation a lot more often than you think would be possible.Bill D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18013121134005443309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-51870330585505312932013-06-27T23:10:16.637-03:002013-06-27T23:10:16.637-03:00I'd go as far as to say the only good Cybermen...I'd go as far as to say the only good Cybermen stories are Tomb and Invasion, that's it, ever.<br /><br />I don't disagree with your point about Cyberman emotionalism, there's always been a problem with the writing there. However, in part 4, the Doctor does admit the Cyber-Leader is more emotional than most. Again here, and if only to win a no-prize, it's a matter of conflating logic with emotionlessness (see Mr. Spock for more). We can talk about their logic and how they made themselves unemotional, but what we mean (and what the characters in the stories may mean) is that they freed themselves from being slaves to emotion (which is what they consider humans) and lack empathy. No emotions is shorthand for "does not have the full complement of human emotions, in particular those that might make them nicer people".<br /><br />The things we tell ourselves to excuse bad writing in things we love...Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-17946769041638113162013-06-27T19:47:46.805-03:002013-06-27T19:47:46.805-03:00"Like the Daleks, these supposed logical mach..."Like the Daleks, these supposed logical machine minds ARE emotional (remember the smug CLEVER. CLEVER. CLEVER from The Moonbase?), they just don't recognize what they're feeling AS emotion."<br /><br />The problem I have with that explanation is that everyone around them seems to accept that they are completely devoid of emotion despite seeing this sort of thing. That is, even the Doctor (or anyone else) doesn't recognise that what the Cybermen are clearly feeling are emotions.<br /><br />As for the "Clever Clever Clever" bit, I've always thought that was affected smugness. The Cybermen know emotion is a weakness, so they attempt to exploit that here by trying to make the humans feel small, foolish and inferior.<br /><br />Then again though, I'm of the opinion that the last good (televised) Cyberman story was The Invasion.CiBnoreply@blogger.com