tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post2100236833438144077..comments2024-03-27T08:49:38.786-03:00Comments on Siskoid's Blog of Geekery: Doctor Who #730: Rise of the CybermenSiskoidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-56957326507692559182013-11-21T15:26:28.986-04:002013-11-21T15:26:28.986-04:00I've said before that I really like the Cyberm...I've said before that I really like the Cybermen, but design aside I can't stand the Cybusmen, and to this day I'm annoyed that when we get the Dalek/Cybermen throwdown I had been waiting for most of my life, it's these yahoos who are called to the plate. "Pest control" indeed. I was happy, then, to see the whole alternate universe angle dropped from pretty much The Next Doctor onward (even though I think Gaiman's Cybermen story from the back half of Season 7 is even worse than this one).Bill D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18013121134005443309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-42586527729397679382013-11-21T14:47:15.832-04:002013-11-21T14:47:15.832-04:00You must be from a parallel world ;)You must be from a parallel world ;)Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-58268387852458929682013-11-21T14:44:10.087-04:002013-11-21T14:44:10.087-04:00Huh. I guess I'm the only one here who likes ...Huh. I guess I'm the only one here who likes the new-style Cybermen. (For reasons best discussed tomorrow, so I'll leave it at that today. And I'm probably the only person anywhere who doesn't think Cyberwoman was the worst episode of the two episodic seasons of Torchwood.)Jeff R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-52547297683004293212013-11-21T11:03:41.428-04:002013-11-21T11:03:41.428-04:00Oh yeah of course, on audio they've had big wi...Oh yeah of course, on audio they've had big wins!. But on TV, yeah... I guess you could make a case for Earthshock, and they've been featured in other stories that were pretty cool, like Doomsday and The Pandorica Opens, but those weren't Cybermen stories per se.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-59663182324123690212013-11-21T10:49:35.297-04:002013-11-21T10:49:35.297-04:00In terms of enjoying Cybermen, I almost agree with...In terms of enjoying Cybermen, I almost agree with you completely Siskoid. I think if we include Big Finish output (such as Spare Parts, the Silver Turk etc) then we have good ones since The Invasion. <br /><br />I don't think the Cybermen have ever been good on colour television.CiBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-82970969706152985502013-11-21T10:25:21.090-04:002013-11-21T10:25:21.090-04:00If it's YOUR rating, then it's valid, Toby...If it's YOUR rating, then it's valid, Toby! I thought you meant to agglomerated opinion of the Internet.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-10219153112896280692013-11-21T09:20:12.696-04:002013-11-21T09:20:12.696-04:00I hate the "Delete" catchphrase.
They ar...I hate the "Delete" catchphrase.<br />They are more machine than man, at least in the Classics you could tell they were once men. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208969934278199592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-63270513556096447282013-11-21T08:20:06.245-04:002013-11-21T08:20:06.245-04:00To be fair, those are my own ratings, even if IMDb...To be fair, those are my own ratings, even if IMDb is the only place I've bothered to actually cast them, and usually the only place I talk about them.Toby'chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01298458468488781568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-29026372999295200952013-11-21T07:26:15.148-04:002013-11-21T07:26:15.148-04:00Oh Toby, you're not actually quoting IMDB rati...Oh Toby, you're not actually quoting IMDB ratings at me, are you? ;-)<br /><br />I was never a big fan of the Cybermen, mind you (I offer this blog as evidence). Their last good story was The Invasion. But this was an opportunity to reverse that trend and give me Cybermen I liked. It failed on that count.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-5759541072817829262013-11-21T06:40:17.955-04:002013-11-21T06:40:17.955-04:00It probably helps that I saw it first by a couple ...It probably helps that I saw it first by a couple of years, but I honestly prefer this two-parter to any of the classic Cybermen stories - 9/10 for both episodes on IMDb, as opposed to an 8.75/10 average for The Tomb of the Cybermen, 8.5 for The Tenth Planet, 8.25 for Earthshock, 8.375 for The Invasion...Toby'chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01298458468488781568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-70579807687580457062013-11-21T06:38:04.954-04:002013-11-21T06:38:04.954-04:00RTD once claimed that Spare Parts was one of the f...RTD once claimed that Spare Parts was one of the finest dramatic works in any medium to have ever been written. He's right, but you'd never tell from this awful adaption.<br /><br />The Cybermen I think are at their best when they're weak. When there is some other thing holding them back (for example, in Tomb of the Cybermen there's the pressing need for them to recharge, and so they can't all be active for very long) as this forces them to play it subtle.<br /><br />In that respect, if you think of the Daleks as a sledgehammer, the Cybermen are a scalpel. That's what keeps them different and that's what makes them interesting. Ultimately, if the Cybermen were just "another Dalek knock off", like this story portrays them to be, then they'd have gone the same way as Mechanoids, Quarks and Chumblies.CiBnoreply@blogger.com