tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post2964332885424555058..comments2024-03-17T20:50:21.456-03:00Comments on Siskoid's Blog of Geekery: Star Trek 630: Broken BowSiskoidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-17603632112872305042010-09-03T16:39:32.253-03:002010-09-03T16:39:32.253-03:00man i thought you would have nailed it right away....man i thought you would have nailed it right away. well here's a clue for you when you get some down time. the Spaceknight in question only appeared in one issue and it was in a ROM annual.Shlomo Ben Hungstienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238927958290618109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-14476427051401269532010-09-03T07:35:18.430-03:002010-09-03T07:35:18.430-03:00I saw the post, but didn't come up with the na...I saw the post, but didn't come up with the name right away. I'll have to flip through some key issues to get it.<br /><br />Right now, I'm on overtime at work, so I haven't had the chance.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-8934279622126617662010-09-02T22:27:36.418-03:002010-09-02T22:27:36.418-03:00point taken on the Cage. i was thinking in terms o...point taken on the Cage. i was thinking in terms of pilots in every star trek series since the original. <br />by the way Siskoid, care to take a guess at the trivia question on my latest post? probably not much of a trivia question to you though.Shlomo Ben Hungstienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238927958290618109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-53306020324818342812010-09-01T19:32:06.833-03:002010-09-01T19:32:06.833-03:00Actually, Voyager's is pretty good! Well, by t...Actually, Voyager's is pretty good! Well, by the series' standard.<br /><br />I think I like DS9's more than you do, but then, I would.<br /><br />The Cage is a classic, Where No Man Has Gone Before is pretty good.<br /><br />So that leaves Encounter at Farpoint as the lesser pilot in my book.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-17187094027599482582010-09-01T18:03:39.535-03:002010-09-01T18:03:39.535-03:00Despite whatever draw backs Broken Bow had it was ...Despite whatever draw backs Broken Bow had it was the only good pilot of all the Star Trek series. DS9 was a great series but outside of the opener with the Wolf 359 battle flash back was nothing to write home about. but even so it was light years ahead of the TNG and Voyager pilots which i don't know anyone could ever sit through more then once.Shlomo Ben Hungstienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07238927958290618109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-2611483868521550502008-09-02T19:05:00.000-03:002008-09-02T19:05:00.000-03:00I agree that the Temporal Cold War should have bee...I agree that the Temporal Cold War should have been completely thought out before the first word was put on paper. I also liked the way the Vulcans were portrayed. It made Spock more unique. Of course, then they killed it with T'Pol. Wouldn't it have been better if there was always a Vulcan ship trailing them in the first season?<BR/><BR/>Sigh.<BR/><BR/>The possibilities. Have to say, I was more excited by this trek than Voyager.hiikeebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04546094181276790786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-42598281107017663112008-08-30T13:46:00.000-03:002008-08-30T13:46:00.000-03:00Sorry that Carla GuiginoAlso that's a good pick up...Sorry that Carla Guigino<BR/><BR/>Also that's a good pick up on the racial tensions against Vulcans on the old Trek series. At least on Dr. McCoy's part.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04016344223492519028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-43067378536378800712008-08-30T13:41:00.000-03:002008-08-30T13:41:00.000-03:00The Warbirds thing wasn't about nitpicking, Be...The Warbirds thing wasn't about nitpicking, Bergman & Braga were the producers & writers for over a decade this should have been picked up right away. This points to me a certain tiredness in the producers feelings toward Trek. Remember that when Enterprise came on it was just Enterprise & not Star Trek: Enterprise until the Fourth season. Manny Coto came on & treated the show as Star Trek.<BR/><BR/>Braga went on to do Threshold (not another Trek show) & I really liked it especially Carla GuidinoWillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04016344223492519028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-73645160210769630072008-08-29T19:35:00.000-03:002008-08-29T19:35:00.000-03:00I believe the notion of Spock being the first Vulc...I believe the notion of Spock being the first Vulcan in Starfleet came from Gene Roddenberry's comments in <I>The Making of </I>Star Trek.Dehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10132196355430345167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-85462421892398825742008-08-29T17:52:00.000-03:002008-08-29T17:52:00.000-03:00OK, just throwing this out there as someone who ha...OK, just throwing this out there as someone who hasn't watched it in a while (and missed a lot of episodes here and there): <BR/><BR/>I was hoping for more of a throwback to TOS in the sense that space is <EM>dangerous</EM>. Space is full of monsters, godlike entities, disease, aliens, aliens that actively dislike you, bizarre phenomenon and conditions, and perhaps worst of all, other people. I wanted more of a feeling that this was a risky business; and I don't think I got it. <BR/><BR/>And I <B>hated</B> the theme music. I was working in a music store at the time, and one customer bought the CD (ever) and I openly gaped. The toys, however, weren't bad.googumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17843267619711712271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-14340023250110589902008-08-29T17:07:00.000-03:002008-08-29T17:07:00.000-03:00long-time reader, first-time commenter.siskoid - l...long-time reader, first-time commenter.<BR/><BR/>siskoid - love your reviews, looking forward to reading your impressions of ENT.<BR/><BR/>trek lost me in the late 90s; i loved DS9, but hated (and still hate) VOY with it's lame premise, TNG-lite plotlines, overreliance on and ruination of the borg, and the impossibly annoying characters.<BR/><BR/>i was relived and excited to hear that ENT would be a prequel show, a clean break with the whitebread utopia the non-DS9 24th century had become. ENT didn't always fully deliver on it's potential, but it draw me back in as a regular weekly viewer.<BR/><BR/>i loathed the theme music, though. still do. mall-metal was embarassing in 1987. i don't think there was even a word for what it was in 2001. i can't fault the producers for wanting to try something new with the opening credits (which - visually - were IMO the best since TOS), but they fell flat on their ass with the music, and should have changed it immediately (i favored borrowing james horner's TWOK theme as TNG borrowed goldsmith theme for TMP, but it never happened).<BR/><BR/>watching "broken bow" years later, there's a freshness to it, as if the producers (most of whom were tired ex-VOY people) were actually TRYING again. i found, and still find, that refreshing.<BR/><BR/>one thing: while i was never a huge t'pol fan, i could never understand the rage focused at the character for usurping spock's "first vulcan in starfleet" standing. where did that idea even come from? i never, in 30+ years of trek viewing had the impression that spock was anywhere near the 1st vulcan in starfleet. it wasn't ever alluded to in an episode or movie.<BR/><BR/>the only thing that ever bugged me about the temporal cold war was the producers' inexplicably just seeming to lose interest in it toward the end of season 2, and the lame resolution of it in season 4. from the beginning, i took the TCW as a device to potentially bring in characters from other series in crossover shows, which - while totally predictable - would have been a lot of fun.<BR/><BR/>anyway, looking forward to your ENT reviews!!!.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13882491083568975956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-28729218124176760312008-08-29T16:46:00.000-03:002008-08-29T16:46:00.000-03:00They didn't have to plan out the entire series, on...They didn't have to plan out the entire series, only decide who their main enemy was when they actually introduced him.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-71172511263990676622008-08-29T16:34:00.000-03:002008-08-29T16:34:00.000-03:00I thought the Temporal Cold War was a cool concept...I thought the Temporal Cold War was a cool concept. However, the way they sometimes used it as a Deus Ex Machina and the fact there was no closure.<BR/><BR/>I guess no one wants to commit to planning a series for like 80-100 episodes so that every arc is logical and complete. At least though they did a full season like that (the Xindi arc).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-37850979169627134732008-08-29T13:16:00.000-03:002008-08-29T13:16:00.000-03:00That's his first scene in the next episode, actual...That's his first scene in the next episode, actually. It didn't really bother me, seeing as this was the very start of Starfleet.<BR/><BR/>The "good old boy" feel of many characters made me think of a continuity with First Contact's Zefram Cochrane.<BR/><BR/>Great idea for Future Guy though!Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-45197531032908740362008-08-29T13:07:00.000-03:002008-08-29T13:07:00.000-03:00I liked the Temporal Cold War pretty much up until...I liked the Temporal Cold War pretty much up until it became clear to me that the writers had no idea who Future Guy actually was. (That style of writing annoys me in any medium: see the Bierbaum Legion and the sealed canister anti-macguffin, among other things.) (My personal favorite theory, maintained until the obvious point in the 4th season, was that Future Guy was from the Empire of the Mirror Universe, and the Cold War was over which history would be the 'real' one. Sure, some 'expanded universe' material puts the breakpoint long before this era, but at least one (the DC comics version) used the Klingon war as the divergence between the two universes, which would have worked fine.)<BR/><BR/>I think a bigger failure in this series was that the characters were completely stripped of the dignity that Starfleet officers 'ought' to have. I mean, when we first see Archer, he's on all fours, obsessively searching for a squeaky patch on the floor. Just try to imagine any of the other Captains in that scene...Jeff R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10010142887152619337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-23696549833134620792008-08-29T12:42:00.000-03:002008-08-29T12:42:00.000-03:00Agreed, this pilot is definitely filled with a lot...Agreed, this pilot is definitely filled with a lot of potential. I remember being very excited when watching it for the first time, and that excitement is still there when I rewatch it, even knowing that while some of that potential will be realized, some of it won't. <BR/><BR/>The continuity gaffes didn't bother me as much (Star Trek has always played a bit faster and looser with continuity, imo, than other properties). <BR/><BR/>I certainly could have done w/o the gratuitous "look at us kids, we're cool and sexy!" scenes. <BR/><BR/>The Temporal Cold War is one of those things that I liked in principal (time travel and an overarching story arc) so at the time, I was intrigued. Only in retrospect did it become inane, pointless and a waste of time to me. I HATE it when an overarching story line is begun without the creators of it knowing, at the very least, the major beats, including the ending. <BR/><BR/>Looking forward to your continued examination of the series!Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-98406365251751502008-08-29T12:23:00.000-03:002008-08-29T12:23:00.000-03:00The biggest problem I had with Enterprise was eye-...The biggest problem I had with Enterprise was eye-rolling, lip-chewing, sighing-with-exasperation Vulcan.<BR/>Worst Vulcan ever.The Mutthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09149977320388415139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-83194378542682246052008-08-29T12:08:00.000-03:002008-08-29T12:08:00.000-03:00Enterprise remains a polarizing show among fans, I...Enterprise remains a polarizing show among fans, I see.<BR/><BR/>Warbirds: I try not to review as if this were an entry in the Nitpicker's Guide, so not every inconsistency is mentioned. Sure, that's a continuity gaffe, but I can take practically any episode of any series (even your favorite) and find such a nit.<BR/><BR/>Vulcans: They did more than that, according to the show. When Humanity was ready to go out among the stars, they used their influence to delay it. So left alone (no first contact), we would have gone out at Warp 5 a generation sooner. Arecher's resentment stems from exactly that: His father was the one whose generation got shafted. And his arc is the start of the Star Trek philosophy of tolerance and cooperation.<BR/><BR/>Also, if you're a fan of continuity, this all helps explain why there's so much racial tension regarding Spock on TOS.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-33166305032887986022008-08-29T11:25:00.000-03:002008-08-29T11:25:00.000-03:00First you left out the gaffe the Vulcan ambassador...First you left out the gaffe the Vulcan ambassador made about "Klingon Warbirds", that proved to me that the producers were just tired & didn't really care this time around.<BR/><BR/>I still call Capt Archer "Capt Snippy" he always seemed pissed off about something. <BR/><BR/>Also about the Vulcans holding back the humans. To me it doesn't make sense to give advanced technology to a species that just had a global nuclear war. They just let the humans develop at their own speed.<BR/><BR/>The crew especially Archer all came off as ugly Americans.Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04016344223492519028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-4048885609800059072008-08-29T10:27:00.000-03:002008-08-29T10:27:00.000-03:00Some of Enterprise's elements are surprisingly fre...Some of Enterprise's elements are surprisingly fresh considering that the same old team who worked on Voyager was working on it, but of course, it's the same old team and they couldn't help falling back into old patterns.<BR/><BR/>While DS9 also fell into old patterns in its first year (and occasionnally after that), it's distinctiveness was largely due to having a different producer at the helm (IMO).<BR/><BR/>Definitely, Enterprise suffered from Trek fatigue, both the makers' and the viewers'.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-36257469774424228832008-08-29T10:00:00.000-03:002008-08-29T10:00:00.000-03:00I wanted to like Enterprise so much when I first w...I wanted to like Enterprise so much when I first watched it. The astronaut vibe, their uniforms, the almost submarine-type design of the ship. But they just had to bring the time-travel thing into it. No matter how much they tried to make it distinct from the rest of Trek, for me it just ended up being another run-around of the same old concepts.<BR/><BR/>They lost me with the episode where they get stranded on a world that drives them nuts. I couldn't believe they pulled that old trope out again so quickly.Madeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06198262501277963163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-65709286655287551932008-08-29T09:55:00.000-03:002008-08-29T09:55:00.000-03:00While I didn't mind the idea of a Temporal Cold Wa...While I didn't mind the idea of a Temporal Cold War, I agree that the pilot was a bit too soon to introduce it.<BR/><BR/>The really unfortunate aspect of <I>Enterprise</I> was timing. Four spin-off series of Trek had already aired and the fanbase was pretty fragmented and bitter when the pilot premiered. The worst were the constant arguments about the canon and how <I>Enterprise</I> constantly violated it (it didn't).Dehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10132196355430345167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-34093641095519106192008-08-29T09:35:00.000-03:002008-08-29T09:35:00.000-03:00The producers' commentary on the pilot episode has...The producers' commentary on the pilot episode has them give a few possibilities they thought about, including a Borg (what the?!).<BR/><BR/>I say it was Janeway all along.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-64334086548854510482008-08-29T09:22:00.000-03:002008-08-29T09:22:00.000-03:00Yeah, the whole "Temporal Cold War" thing was a no...Yeah, the whole "Temporal Cold War" thing was a non-starter, a bad idea that was never properly thought out. Why the producers thought the series needed an external meta-narrative, but never bothered to figure out what it was before writing it into the show, was always a mystery (not to mention its own form of technobabble). If the Big Bad isn't going to turn out to be someone we know, either personally or by species, why bother going to such length to hide his appearance?snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06181997862745538999noreply@blogger.com