tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post6264362254565493605..comments2024-03-17T20:50:21.456-03:00Comments on Siskoid's Blog of Geekery: Reign of the Supermen #14: Byrnified SupermanSiskoidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-58804533556947559292010-11-12T16:33:39.272-04:002010-11-12T16:33:39.272-04:00As I consider you one of the blogosphere premiere ...As I consider you one of the blogosphere premiere Conoisseurs of Cool, I'll take that as a high compliment.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-62830057833413550422010-11-12T16:15:49.643-04:002010-11-12T16:15:49.643-04:00I'm finally getting caught up on blog-reading ...I'm finally getting caught up on blog-reading and am VERY much enjoying this series. Love it!Michael Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12514945570212261283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-74029941459043244962010-11-09T10:51:41.698-04:002010-11-09T10:51:41.698-04:00Definitely digging the Superman stuff. Keep it up!...Definitely digging the Superman stuff. Keep it up!<br /><br />And myaybe it's just because as much as I love DC, I started out as a Marvel guy, or maybe it's because I adore the Marvel Handbooks, or maybe it's because I'm just a pedantic geek, but I quite enjoy the Byrneified Superman. <br /><br />I didn't read it as it was released (still a Marvel guy then) but have read most of it via backissues and trades. <br /><br />What it boils down to for me, and the reason I like it, is the emphasis it put on Clark Kent, the man. Like LiamKav quoted: "Superman is what I can do. Clark is who I am."<br /><br />For all the little changes that kinda bug me (I love Byrne's Luthor but wish he'd been more of a mad scientist too, some of the psionic explanations get too nitpicky even for me) they are worth it to get that complete 180 on the relationship between Clark and Superman, and that's something that, for the most part, has stuck, even after most of Krypton has been brought back. <br /><br />I love the idea that Superman is the secret identity. Plus, it's such an elegant way of explaining away the whole "how good a disguise are glasses, really?" thing: no one has any reason to believe Superman isn't just Superman.Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-73858045539194622022010-11-06T14:23:15.905-03:002010-11-06T14:23:15.905-03:00At least that planet didn't blow up.
But yeah...At least that planet didn't blow up.<br /><br />But yeah, huge fan of the animated series here.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-25424075130485232222010-11-06T14:15:46.282-03:002010-11-06T14:15:46.282-03:00The first episode of The Animated Series actually ...The first episode of The Animated Series actually made me cry, with the family giving up everything to save Kal-El.<br /><br />(Probably didn't help that I saw it a couple weeks after visiting my brother, sister-in-law and three-year-old niece on the other side of the planet. But damn.)Craig Oxbrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16388821789251515974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-60944176162304392322010-11-05T23:25:10.338-03:002010-11-05T23:25:10.338-03:00Like this Superman stuff....keep it up! (Hey, bet...Like this Superman stuff....keep it up! (Hey, better late than never!)MOCK!https://www.blogger.com/profile/02854497329647596811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-38419283415030137912010-11-04T22:33:00.569-03:002010-11-04T22:33:00.569-03:00Which is why I both mentioned them (4th paragraph)...Which is why I both mentioned them (4th paragraph) and used the word Byrnified as opposed to "Byrne's".<br /><br />He engineered the reboot, they added a lot to it (like the aforementioned Cat Grant).Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-19643395006174854222010-11-04T20:58:19.715-03:002010-11-04T20:58:19.715-03:00Obligatory comment: Remember that Marv Wolfman and...Obligatory comment: Remember that Marv Wolfman and Jerry Ordway, who were doing <i>Adventures of Superman</i> at the same time Byrne was doing his titles, deserve a good portion of the credit and/or blame for "Byrne's Superman."suedenimhttp://tgcaps.com/caps/modcomics/suedenim/jetdream/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-74115018231801548732010-11-04T17:03:32.720-03:002010-11-04T17:03:32.720-03:00The Flash thing (and Iron Man's origin) is a b...The Flash thing (and Iron Man's origin) is a bit different. Whenever you tie a characters origin into a war it creates issues after a few years. It's an unavoidable issue when you have a sliding timeline. It's annoying, but unless you want to go the Nick Fury route it's unavoidable. It's interesting that DC have far less instances of people being tied to wars, apart from obvious stands outs like the JSA.<br /><br />And fair enough, DC events aren't solely We Are Now Changing Continuity. But the 80s had the first crisis, the 90s had Zero Hour, the 00s had Infinite Crisis... I'd say rebooting history every 10 years is a bit too much. Yeah, it means that if you don't like a certain aspect of Batman's origin you can wait around knowing that it's likely to be retconned out in a few years, but it also means you can't get attached to it.LiamKavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996095233681105682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-48390354812716925282010-11-04T16:27:59.031-03:002010-11-04T16:27:59.031-03:00I think Magpie's 80s New Wave look was her und...I think Magpie's 80s New Wave look was her undoing.<br /><br />Liam: As Jeff says, Marvel retcons its properties too, it just doesn't normally make an event of it. Nor does DC ONLY do retconning events.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-84280799259408841862010-11-04T15:33:00.853-03:002010-11-04T15:33:00.853-03:00... oops, not Mockingbird -- MAGPIE. Got my "...... oops, not Mockingbird -- MAGPIE. Got my "M" birds mixed up. :-)Sea-of-Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813600516703661200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-61996685151059099652010-11-04T15:32:18.908-03:002010-11-04T15:32:18.908-03:00My favorite episode of that series was Supes "...My favorite episode of that series was Supes "first meeting" with Batman. Mockingbird was, and remains, an interesting footnote in that meeting -- Byrne's own attempt to create his own over-the-top Batman villain.Sea-of-Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813600516703661200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-75157406697408871922010-11-04T15:30:22.564-03:002010-11-04T15:30:22.564-03:00Liamkav: So exactly which war did Flash Thompson s...Liamkav: So exactly which war did Flash Thompson serve in immediately after high school, and how old is he again?Jeff R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-35786551338567220372010-11-04T15:06:59.176-03:002010-11-04T15:06:59.176-03:00I'm also guessing the reason for removing the ...I'm also guessing the reason for removing the Legion stuff is that is overly complicates Sueprman's origin without really adding anything. I don't think any version outside the comics has ever used it, even in something like the Animated Superman where they spent the entire first episode with Clark just being a baby.<br /><br />(And yeah, I know that there was a cartoon about the Legion that was supposed to be quite good. I can't say if it added anything to Clark's character though.)LiamKavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996095233681105682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-56716745219194349602010-11-04T15:04:00.150-03:002010-11-04T15:04:00.150-03:00Yeah. I read "Birthright" thinking that ...Yeah. I read "Birthright" thinking that some of it was better than Man Of Steal, some worse.<br /><br />Mainly though, I was thinking "why?" Marvel don't republish Spider-Man's origin story every 15 years, sending fans into a tizzy as to whether the name of Uncle Ben's killer was revealted or not. With the occasional horrendous mistep aside (I'm looking at you, "One More Day"), Marvel Big Events seem to be "what can we do with the universe now?", rather than DC's more backward looking "what can we change about the origin of our universe now?"LiamKavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996095233681105682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-26410752784679206232010-11-04T14:29:22.838-03:002010-11-04T14:29:22.838-03:00Wooo controversy!
The nice thing with the multipl...Wooo controversy!<br /><br />The nice thing with the multiple versions and timelines is that we can have a Last Son of Krypton AND an inventor Luthor AND a childhood friend Luthor AND a businessman Luthor AND both a sterile and a lively Krypton and enjoy stories from all those versions (for example, I really like the Krypton destroyed by its computer Brainiac from the animated series).<br /><br />There was potential for stories in the sterile Krypton etc., while writers today find more potential in different versions. They'll tell those stories until the well runs dry, then find new avenues.<br /><br />Current continuity seems to have migrated towards a certain consensus mixing pre-Crisis, post-Crisis, movie and television (Smallville) elements of the character.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-4145325572247078052010-11-04T14:11:16.186-03:002010-11-04T14:11:16.186-03:00I guess I'll have to make the vigorous case ag...I guess I'll have to make the vigorous case against the Byrne version, then.<br /><br />I. Turning Krypton from a place of wonders whose loss was a great tragedy for Kal-El and the entire universe into a thing of dystopic sterility who's destruction comes mainly as a relief was almost as boneheaded a move as possible.<br /><br />II. Making Luthor a powerful businessman was a great idea. Making Luthor _only_ a powerful business man was a horrible one. Superman needs for his archenemy to be a genius inventor, not just someone who buys the work of other geniuses. (Alan Moore, armed with only a two-sentence description of what Byrne was going to do, got the character right and gave us what he would eventually slide into...) If Byrne wanted a pure kingpin figure, Morgan Edge was available.<br /><br />III. Byrne had no right to destroy and forbid load-bearing pieces of Legion continuity, darn it. And besides that, taking out that early career, the time spent with peers from the future, and most importantly the early friendship with Luthor. [Luthor is not supposed to worry Superman just because he's trying to kill him, but because he represents his greatest failure: but for him, Luthor might have been a great man.] The details with the hair were silly, sure, but the underlying psychology was a loss that eventually had to be restored.Jeff R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-19517192133835199482010-11-04T12:52:51.964-03:002010-11-04T12:52:51.964-03:00I prefer a lot of the reinvention Byrne did to the...I prefer a lot of the reinvention Byrne did to the Superman mythos, but then again I am only (just) 30, so i guess I'll always have nostalgia for that (and Wally West) in a way that the 40-something DC writers won't.<br /><br />I did very much agree with getting rid of Krypto and Supergirl though. Superman is the Last Son of Krypton, an alient living as a human. It slightly ruins that if the actual tag-line is "The Last Son of Krypton. Who hangs around with the last Daughter of Krypton. And Last Dog of Krypton. And All Those People In The Tiny City of Krypton."<br /><br />Also, the Byrne Superman seems to be what influenced the DC Animated Superman, and Lois and Clark Superman, who (to me) said the line that defines how I think of him:<br /><br />"Superman is what I can do. Clark is who I am."<br /><br />Making Clark a functioning human was the best change made. Pretending to be an absolute moron 90% of the time was just... silver age.LiamKavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01996095233681105682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-34305388344281974192010-11-04T05:20:51.596-03:002010-11-04T05:20:51.596-03:00I'm very much liking the Reign of the Supermen...I'm very much liking the Reign of the Supermen. I don't see it getting stale since there are so many peculiar takes on Superman over the decades, so keep them coming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-2217056991640082272010-11-03T14:18:14.790-03:002010-11-03T14:18:14.790-03:00Matt: I did like the green, blond, bearded Brainia...Matt: I did like the green, blond, bearded Brainiac, but his start as a carnival act (in pink!) was definitely not on my list of best redesigns.<br /><br />Dan: Oh, yeah, a great Luthor.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-38991031999657894922010-11-03T14:08:56.478-03:002010-11-03T14:08:56.478-03:00Byrne's Superman was good, but his Lex Luthor ...Byrne's Superman was good, but his Lex Luthor was effing great. The "Lex rejects the notion that Clark and Superman are one and the same" story and the one where Luthor is so casually and mercilessly cruel to a small-town waitress (and then at the end you find out that this is kind of a hobby of his) are two of the best Luthor stories ever.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08024593299569223590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-57461551912444525892010-11-03T13:16:57.844-03:002010-11-03T13:16:57.844-03:00I'm loving the daily Superman content.
As for...I'm loving the daily Superman content.<br /><br />As for today's installment, I have to say I really liked the reimagined Brainiac. I suppose he might have come into his own under the pen of Roger Stern, but I thought that version of Brainiac was one of the highlights of the era.Matthew Turnagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08115327182071167651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-40407056334934653132010-11-03T12:23:03.517-03:002010-11-03T12:23:03.517-03:00I'm digging the daily Superman stuff.I'm digging the daily Superman stuff.Dehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10132196355430345167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37940560.post-52602025119111918852010-11-03T11:30:41.971-03:002010-11-03T11:30:41.971-03:00You're doing great Siskoid; this is as much fu...You're doing great Siskoid; this is as much fun as your ST episode reviews! Long live the Supermen!twistyarmnoreply@blogger.com